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9 Questions to Ask an Atheist

Monday, November 8, 2010

They made me yesterday the following questions, which I found funny answer:

1) You do not believe in God (s) or do not believe in religion?
2) Are you convinced that there is no assumption of a God / form of energy?
3) Believe, have faith and positive thinking does not make things happen?
4) This life is the one that exists or has existed or will exist?
5) There is no fate or soul mates or déjà vu?
6) There is karma?
7) mythology and symbology are boring subjects?
8) There are no alternate realities?
9) It makes sense to think about the meaning of life?

Answers below:
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Anne Rice: the saga continues

Friday, July 30, 2010

I mentioned yesterday updates Anne Rice on her page on Facebook, and unfortunately, what I suggested is confirmed: it continues to be as faithful as it was in recent years, is as prey to superstition and "wishful thinking" as before, simply wants to distance himself from the ultra-conservatism that (especially but not only in the U.S.) features both Christianity.

Just see that after the two updates mentioned in the previous post, the following quotes were simply ... the Bible. Not exactly a sign of rationality or mental clarity ...

And she continues to be "Christian" - "follower of Christ" means exactly that. And here give reason to Hemant : What she did is equivalent to a known atheist say something like: "I was an atheist, but I do not agree with the attitudes and social and political positions of most atheists (eg, I think they are too liberal , and I am against gay rights, not because of religious reasons, but only because they make me sick and why deny them basic rights makes me feel powerful) ... soon, starting today, I'm not an atheist. But I still do not have any kind of belief in a god or gods. "Hmm, no. Do not believe in gods, then you are an atheist. That is the definition of the term. You can be an atheist irrational, homophobic, ultra-conservative ... in short, a complete moron. But you still be an atheist.

The latest (at the time of this post) update it also reveals much (emphasis mine):

My faith in Christ is central to my life. My conversion from a pessimistic atheist lost in a world I did not Understand, to an optimistic believer in a universe created and sustained by a loving God is crucial to me. But Following Christ does not Following mean His followers. Christ is infinitely more important than Christianity and always will be, what the matter is Christianity, has been, or might Become.

Here, ladies and gentlemen, we have a classic example of "wishful thinking". She believes because he wants it to be true, not because I have evidence that (probably) will be. The belief it was an unfortunate belief 2 makes it feel good, so this is for her more than enough reason to have the belief 2. The question of which is more likely that corresponds to the reality does not interest him. The reality of "what the hell." She believes what makes you feel good and ready - a dulling of the mind and sense of reality not unlike a drug addict or an alcoholic, drinking or drugs to avoid having to deal with "the world I didn ' t Understand. "

And, very sophisticated that a religion is, however sophisticated the words of an apologist, religion never gets it. There is no religion, no one is religious, without the intellectual dishonesty that is "wishful thinking".

Realism as an alternative to "positive thinking"

Friday, July 16, 2010
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Worth seeing. After doing so, consider the following:

On the question of "positive thinking", I guess some people think something like "but you're telling me to think positive, be optimistic, etc.. Are not good ideas? We should go pessimistic and depressed? "Of course this is not the idea (and the video mentions it in passing). The issue here, in my view, is that there are two very different interpretations of the meaning of "positive thinking", and "New Agers" in general do everything possible to mix the two, treating them as inseparable.

"Positive thinking" that is, living life in an optimistic and without paralyzing fears, trying to see where possible the good side of things, so as to avoid the problems / stresses of day-to-day we lie down, is a good idea, and makes a difference in our lives, in terms of our psychological well-being, our attitude towards other people and problems, and the like. Make us who are less stressed and more pleasant - and therefore more "popular", which not only tends to further increase our well-being such as help for the success in life - that is, turns out to be, in a way, a virtuous circle: successful optimism causes that causes more optimism that causes that causes more success ...

But that's not what the "New Agers" promoting (albeit dishonestly, retreat to the most basic meaning when we criticize). What they promote, in books such as stupidly bestseller "The Secret", mentioned in the video, is the idea that our thoughts and our emotions directly affect the universe, including fitness and distance, the reality is fluid and subjective, constructed by each of us in our heads (and a tree falling in a forest with no one beside you can not make sound , precisely because the reality is subjective), that to be successful and lucky enough "to believe" this success and luck and thus attract them. To get something that just "want a lot."

And, therefore, that those who fail, who suffers some catastrophe (even a natural disaster), you do not want enough success, and thus attracted the blows. That is, the blame is always the victim. More obscene than "everyone has what he deserves," the idea here is "everyone has what he wants." The poor are poor because they want to (or do not want enough wealth), patients are ill because they "do not believe" in your health, and victims of an earthquake or volcano have to blame because their "negative thoughts" attracted catastrophe.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is the sickest there may be.

Response to two critical

Tuesday, May 11, 2010

I received yesterday and today, two criticisms on this blog via Twitter, which I have already answered, needing a 7 tweets. But I want to answer them here as well, with a little more space compared to Twitter, and so that the answers are available on the blog, since it is possible that the criticism in question make sense for other visitors in the future.

The first is this: that the site name is incorrect, because atheism is merely the absence of belief in a god or gods, and what I do here is "anti-religious activism."

For that, yes, it is true that the strict definition of atheism is that, but it is also valid to see something in a more lactate. For me and for many , atheism is associated with skepticism, humanism and rationality, and the site is dedicated to (among other things) to promote these concepts. "Www.ateismo-humanism, skepticism-and-rational-pt.com" would be too long :) , And the idea of the name of a site is not to be descriptive, it's just a title, a "brand" a designation.

The second criticism is that "something is to criticize the acts done in the name of a religion, or through it, but put everything into the same bag is wrong."

I think here the author of the review is to confuse a) the criticism my acts and institutions, where only the authors clearly critical of the acts and / or members of the institutions in question, 2) logical argument against religious beliefs themselves, irrationality, " wishful thinking ", etc.., where, yes, I am criticizing the beliefs of many people who never did anyone any harm because of them, but to criticize beliefs - a very" intimate "as they are - is not an attack! There is even a conviction. It is a simple "you're wrong because ...", as for any other subject would be accepted (agreeing or disagreeing) with no problems.

When I argue against the "logic" of certain beliefs or religious arguments (eg, "God must exist, otherwise how does the universe exist", or Pascal's Wager, or mention the fact that the belief of 99% believers to be just the product of an accident of geography, or criticize the lack of skepticism and rationality of someone), I am not "attacking" or condemn anyone, I'm just criticizing ideas that I consider wrong, justifying my criticism with facts and logic (which may well be wrong, mind you). Just as perfectly acceptable to tell me I'm wrong in anything.

What is not accepted that religious beliefs to themselves require a special position, untouchable, beyond reproach, or that these beliefs become inseparable from the believers themselves, so that any criticism of a belief or idea is viewed as a personal attack on all believers. This not only makes no sense, as it is cowardly - is somehow an admission that the beliefs and religious ideas are not capable of "going to fight," to demonstrate logically consistent, to compete in the marketplace of ideas, and which therefore require special protection, almost criminalizing (in Muslim theocracies to take the "almost") the mere act of the question or criticize.

And for those believers who are always ready to offend personally with a simple criticism of their beliefs and ideas, if they were really confident for the same, do not react well. Rather, they were ready to "come out fighting" ideas, confident in having the facts and logic on your side, no need to require protection or "respect" special for your beliefs simply because they are religious beliefs. And this should make you think a little ...

"The burden of proof belongs to atheists"?

Friday, February 26, 2010

One thing to joke that I think make on the sites that I maintain is look at the stats and see what terms (words or phrases) people are entering in search engines in order to come up here. One that I noticed yesterday is this: "the burden of proof belongs to atheists" (read "burden" to be Portuguese in Brazil; here in Portugal would "burden").

There is no way of knowing if it was a question or a statement, since even in the case of the first case in general a typical user does not enter punctuation marks in the polls does. But I have seen this same statement be made more than once, so I want to answer it here.

To get the answer "standard", which already mentioned in the FAQ : Who suggests something, who says that something exists, does it have the burden of proof. That is, if I say that there is a flying spaghetti monster created the universe and loves pirates, I who have to present evidence and proof of this, are you not that you will have the responsibility to "disprove". If you say that God exists - whatever you believe in his version - it is your responsibility to prove it, or at least provide sufficient evidence for the likelihood of "there" to be superior to "no." If we are talking about criminal matters, this is called "innocent until proved guilty," that you have to admit, it makes sense. Who says (and no, do not try to get around with something like "you are affirming the non-existence") is that you must present evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt."

A response that some Christians give here is this: "then you are claiming the existence of something much more amazing to me: a 100% natural universe without a creator or a supernatural creation, which somehow came from nothing and appeared stars, planets, and life at least in ours. All naturally. How? Explains it. Prove it. "

It seems to make sense. To be put in words the logic inherent in this kind of reasoning, that is: not to believe in God, an atheist has to explain everything in detail, as the origin of the universe, evolution, etc.., And any trace of " it still does not know "immediately becomes invalid and this explanation" test "the" was God. " That is, even if the atheist - or science - explain 99%, the lack of explanation at this time for the remaining 1% immediately "proof" that there may have been an atheist as you suggest, "proof" that the universe can be 100% natural, and "was God" "wins" "by default." (in quotation marks followed by three things, I really have a strange mind ...)

Why this "default"? Why is the atheist has to explain everything and taste everything, and if it fails in the smallest thing, the believer "win" automatically, without having to explain himself nothing? I suppose it's a matter of habit, who has learned from childhood that God exists and created everything and that is self-evident, you will see all this as perfectly normal and obvious, and an alternative explanation that goes against what we always believed - even if it is an explanation that does not involve supernatural beings and "miracles" - you will look totally weird, absurd and surreal.

Moreover, the believer is accustomed to a seemingly perfect and final explanation: "God did it". Science is constantly evolving, and has no problem admitting that there is much still unexplained, is still much to understand. Therefore, the believer will feel - and this is understandable - that atheists are asking you to replace a simple explanation, complete, and (for him) obvious explanation for a complex, incomplete and (for him) fantastic.

The problem is that "God did it" does not explain anything, just move the mystery a step up. That is, the science attempts to explain, for example, the origin of the universe of a natural way, but it can not do completely, although there are many hypotheses open. The believer then replies: "ah, you do not know, but I know: it was God." But does not explain how, as he knows, or what God, nor the most important of all: where is God? Who created God? The answer "no, God has always existed" is a " special pleading "because God is there to be an exception to the rule that there must be a creator for everything? If God does not need a creator, then why not consider that perhaps the universe does not need a creator? If God always existed, why not the universe? And so on.

In other words, if you explain something like "it was magic," then either you explain this spell (next step), or it is not at all an explanation. As believers never explain - nor have ways of explaining - "magic" / God, the bottom can not explain absolutely nothing, while science does - little by little, but it does. And the idea that science has to be perfect and complete already or "God did it" "wins" does not automatically make any sense, is the equivalent of a criminal investigation, said to a detective that he has to get complete evidence , final and perfect that the criminal is X, otherwise Y is the criminal ... even without any shred of evidence pointing to Y.

Beliefs, evidence, and "wishful thinking"

Monday, February 15, 2010

Consider the following propositions:

  1. Evidence for the existence of a god - any god - are zero.
  2. The belief in something to climb according to the evidence for that something. Therefore, for zero evidence, zero belief. Everything else is "wishful thinking" to believe something just because we really want this to be true.
  3. Therefore, atheism is the only rational position, any kind of belief is "wishful thinking".

When confronted with this argument, believers often respond with one of the following arguments, or both:

  • "The evidence for the existence of a god (usually, my god, rather than all the others) are not zero."
    This is generally composed of arguments from ignorance: " I have no explanation, so was God "(referring, for example, the origin / existence of the universe). Sometimes also include subjective personal experiences ("I feel God in my heart," "I prayed and I managed to get something", etc..). Sorry there, but none of this constitutes "evidence". A proof is that they do not accept the same type of "evidence" as reasons to believe in other religions.
  • "Beliefs should not scale with the evidence."
    Never heard a Christian say that? So what about the most common version: "Faith is a virtue"?
    No religion promotes the current skepticism, or sees it as a virtue - although some more sophisticated believers claim the opposite. Rather, there is a huge set of explanations / rationalizations for the existence of a god or gods is not obvious, in general, all around the "free will": if God proves his existence, everyone would believe him, and for any Reason is not what he wants. The "test", therefore, is to believe without evidence - or, better yet, in the presence of contrary evidence.
    However, do not escalate the beliefs with evidence is a bad idea: this is "escalanço" that protects us from being deceived and robbed by crooks, for example, and is also what allows us to open our eyes and see and understand the world as it is. Again, most Christians (unfortunately not all) do not practice the credulity about things "earthly" ... or, if it does, quickly ends up in poverty, since it is vulnerable to the first con man who will appear in front .

Escaped me some? Comments?

Discussion, subjectivity and irrationality

Tuesday, October 27, 2009

No, this is not about religion. :)

I just want to share with my readers - you and that guy - part of a comment on a post from Greta Christina , this post, yes, about religion ... but the comment of a "Mary" is not about that, but on frustration - well known for me - to try to argue rationally with those who think that a discussion is an exchange of views totally subjective with no basis in reality, and uses arguments "new age" as "this is true for me, and ready" .

I quote:

One thing That really annoys me when I discuss things with people like that is That They treat all such discussions as a "getting-along process." We are each supposed to give a little, and if so They agree on some things That I say, then I can not agree on that there is an afterlife and psychics That Can contact the dead? After all I can not PROVE it's NOT so! If I do, I am stubborn and a 'know it all'. Especially with my friends I can not really use all the arguments I have (like things you write about here on this blog) because discussing such things They see the Exchanging Opinions about subjective Any Given subject. If I do, if I insist That These are claims That Are Either true or not, I am not playing nice.

The Other week I asked my friend, after a long and totally useless discussion, if It Was not reasonable of me to insist That I was right if someone else claimed That 2 + 2 = 5 and I know it's 4? She thought it would be wrong of me to do that, because the matter how right I am (and she admitted I was) it's TRUE FOR THEM! There is just no way around such a view of the world.

I think it's this That makes the modern progressive and moderate religions, and the new age woo people with so infuriating to discuss on the whole. They believe what is 'true for Them' and whatever anyone else Believes is 'true for Them' - They think maximum tolerance and goodness lies in this assertion (after all, What Could be nicer people than all Allowing Their very own reality?) And any attempt to discuss the objective is doomed.

It's even more infuriating since Actually They Do not live like that in Their Every Day Life. My friend is a nurse and would never insist, in her work, that 'any person can eat any medicine for any illness and still Become well because it would be' true to Them. " She will administer the right medicine to the right like the Responsible person and she is very good nurse. She never Use these idiotic arguments and conversation stoppers (stoppers at least if you want to keep the friendship) Every Day When We discuss stuff like what is the right answer to a question on the quiz show we are watching, or other looked Every Day practical things . But When ever the subject of beliefs, and the afterlife, and the soul, and watching stupid psychics on TV eat up (and believe me I Avoid it to the plague) then Suddenly, the 'it's true for ME' is used to defend anything !

"You're too stupid for me to argue with you."

Tuesday, June 30, 2009

"If it's futile, then that's unfortunate, but I do not think it's not even a reason for Trying. I think it would be ... rather defeatist and cowardly, and rather well ... Actually, Almost condescending, contemptuous Almost to say ... "you're too stupid for me to argue with you." I would never wish to say that. "

- Richard Dawkins

Discussion irrational

Thursday, April 9, 2009

Note: It is probably a good idea to read the previous post, rational discussions before this.

Now that we've given you an example of what I consider a rational discussion, you (yes, I still delude myself into thinking that someone reads my incomprehensible ramblings) can be asked, then how is that discussions are irrational?

Taking the discussion described in the previous post, I leave you some examples. Some will certainly you seem surreal, but I assure you that "took" with variants of them in recent weeks, and coming from different people.

Example 1:

Person A: (introduces a position)

Person B: "I think you're wrong, this and this ..." (gives reasons)

Person A: (repeats the position initially presented, the reasons for ignoring the opposition of person B)

Person B: "But ... you're only repeating. What you said makes no sense, because ... "(try to explain better the oppositions submitted)

Person A: "Do you hear anything I say! You can not talk to you! "

Person B: "?"

Example 2:

Person A: (introduces a position)

Person B: "I think you're wrong, this and this ..." (gives reasons)

Person A: "Ah, but these your reasons are invalid, because ..." (because it says that each one of the reasons is invalid)

Person B: (ignoring the arguments of the person A) "You see? Not doing anything else but to say why I'm wrong! You have to always be right, is not it? So proud ... "

Person A: "...?"

Example 3 (version " Calimero "from above):

Person A: (introduces a position)

Person B: "I think you're wrong, this and this ..." (gives reasons)

Person A: "Ah, but these your reasons are invalid, because ..." (because it says that each one of the reasons is invalid)

Person B: (ignoring the arguments of the person A) "Okay, I know you never say anything at all! You're always a genius, and I suck! I can never be right to talk to you, is not it? You make me feel completely useless! You are not minimally concerned with my feelings! "

Person A: "... WTF?"

You may edit this post later when I remember more. :)

Rational discussions

Tuesday, April 7, 2009

Consider, please, this example:

Person A: (introduces a position)

Person B: "I think you're wrong, this and this ..." (gives reasons)

Person A: "Ah, but these your reasons are invalid, because ..." (because it says that each one of the reasons is invalid)

Person B: "Not so, the problem for that reason that this is not really a problem because ..." (justified)

Etc. etc..

This to me is how rational people discuss (in a good sense of the word, that is, discuss an idea, not an exchange of insults in a volume too high). For me, this is fun, exciting, there is nothing "personal" no room for quarrels, both are showing full respect for each other, both are listening to each other and think about what he says, to agree or disagree . It is not "win" or "lose" (I love to show I'm wrong, and I wish it were more frequent, since that way learn more), do not distort facts or reality, no emotions are involved ( there can be passion and enthusiasm, but never uses arguments such childish and irrational "that fact or argument hurts me, just can not use") ... in short, that's how I think, and I always thought that rational people and adults discussed. And just so you learn, and it gets somewhere.

Am I an alien for thinking this? : (

Or am I having bad luck with people, and I should better control the discussions that get myself into?

Listening to a person and tell him how wrong and why, is, for me, the greatest show of respect that we give. And I will not discuss (or speak) more who 1) feels offended by this, and / or 2) does not return the same.


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